After my Socialist meeting last Friday, we went out for drinks to "carry on the conversation". (I was really skeptical that anyone actually would continue to discuss politics...and this was one time I was pleasantly proven wrong.)
A couple of the guys brought these two girls back to the table, in what you'd think would be the standard pick-up. The one who was closer to me, that I could actually hear, was getting questioned a lot about what she thought about the political system in Sweden (which is where the two of them were from).
And then they hit her with questions about China. She argued against, & they argued for. (One of the great things was that the guys afterwards said that they knew they were taking a more extreme view for the sake of debate, & did agree with her on some points & don't believe that China should be held up as the ideal Socialist state.)
What does this have to do with me?
Just another opportunity where I feel totally ignorant of the world around me.
I've stopped reading the newspapers for what's going on because I know that it's so filtered & carefully evaluated that I feel it can barely be trusted as the truth. But that means that I'm totally in the dark about it all.
Like China & Tibet.
When I was in India, the town I lived near, there were a large number of Tibetan refugees. I remember seeing the postcards at the Cultural Fair with pictures of activists hanging a sign asking China to stop the genocide on the Tibetan people.
The whole thing sounded absolutely horrible. So I had no problem when I got the decal for "Free Tibet" to slap it immediately onto my car.
Now I kind of feel like I'm one of "those" kinds of liberals. And that makes me feel icky inside.
I did some reading. And while I know that I'm not getting the whole story, I feel like I'm getting a little more. (And if anyone had any more to let me know to help me be more educated about this subject, I'd be more than happy to hear it. Honestly.)
The issue doesn't seem to be as easy as a country that is being held against it's will by another one & is demanding autonomy. Tibet has long been a part of China. Recognized by Tibetans as part of China. It sounds like Tibet is wanting China to let Tibet preserve their cultural & religious heritage (or at that is at least the demands by the Dalai Lama).
This isn't what I'd think of when I think of "FREE (insert country here)".
Sure, there are plenty that think that China has no right to be involved in Tibet, but when is there ever a consensus on international relations anywhere?
And maybe it's just my skepticism, but just knowing that the CIA was involved with Tibet fighting China makes me pull back a bit.
I hope to learn more about the relations to cure my dreadful ignorance. But this is just a first start.
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Tibet in fact was never part of China, it was perhaps in the same fold under the Mongol empire, but that does not constitute “part of China”.
Part of what, the Mongol Empire perhaps, but that has disappeared a long time ago, though there is even a distinct difference, the Chinese were conquered, subjugated and ruled by the Mongols, whereas Tibet signed a mutually beneficial agreement with the Mongols and had its Own rulers during the Mongol influence.
Then it had agreements with the Manchu Empire, but that was not even “China”.
Just ask any Han Chinese now, they’ll all tell you that the Manchus were a foreign invader and subjugated them.
Also the Manchu Empire was so impotent and could not even fulfil its side of the agreement to assist them to repel the Ghurka invaders that they could hardly lay claim to having ruled, owned or even influenced Tibet.
Now such agreements are quite common internationally, bilateral assistance agreements; if one of the signatory states is attacked then mutual assistance is assured. Does that make Tibet part of China?
In any case, the idea of: “This is mine, I had it before, so now it must be mine and I can do with it what I like” is such a puerile, depraved and infantile concept, only the CCP could possibly adhere to such a reprehensible notion and openly regurgitate it ad nauseam in international forums.
Tibet was populated with a distinct and homogenous race that had its own government and public services and made agreements with various other nations for millennia.
China could never claim to “ownership” of Tibet. Before the invasion in 1950 there was not even one, just one Chinese representative in Tibet!
From 1911 till the criminal invasion in 1950, Tibet was wholly and completely independent, no binding agreement, no outside influence, or any form of ‘suzerainty’.
In fact Tibet was so self-assured of its sovereignty that it refused to take sides in WWll and refused the allies to cross its territory.
The Han Chinese Communists have fabricated documents, forged agreements, invoked every trick in the book and repeated lie after lie to “prove’ its “ownership” of Tibet.
Nothing could be more despicable or depraved than the behaviour of this cabal.
Let alone the heinous atrocities they have and continue to commit in illegally occupied Tibet.
Please take a moment to follow these links, they’ll help you get some more background that is not falsified by the CCPs Propaganda Lies Unit, which is scanning, and swamping the internet with their “version of history and events”. They’re everywhere and under every guise imaginable, they post as Joe Blogs in every forum, Blog and site to plough their inane lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhjad2MJsT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a2ory5hr4g
http://www.tchrd.org/press/2008/pr20080519.html
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